Hello!
On a video TS multi-languages, after the merge step of the segments of the video, the language name of all audio tracks is good.
For instance (mediainfo)
After merged
Audio#1 language Français
Audio#2 language qaa (= original language, for instance english or german)
Audio#3 language qad ( = qad = audio-description)
Audio# language german
After fixed
The language of the four tracks is converted to Français. That is erroneous !
To avoid that it is necessary to spend a lot of time to modify track by track in TSdoctor2.
I think it is a bug.
Could you post the log file?
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Zitat von: Cypheros am Mai 22, 2016, 00:47:53
Could you post the log file?
here are for thr same file
1-Mediainfo for merged file built by TSD2
2-Mediainfo for merged_fixed file built by TSD2
3-Log file of TSD2 cutting-fixing
Regards
I see no change in the language description. All audio streams are "FRA", before and after fixing.
Zitat von: Cypheros am Mai 23, 2016, 19:34:35
I see no change in the language description. All audio streams are "FRA", before and after fixing.
It seems something is wrong or unfinished in the log of the"fixed" pass. :-[ :-[ :-[
Unfortunately I don't have saved the log of the "merged" pass of the original satellite stream.
But I have kept the output TSdoctor2 "merged" file of the stream and Mediainfo shows the good languages for all the audio tracks of this "merged" file.
Regards
Zitat von: Cypheros am Mai 23, 2016, 19:34:35
....All audio streams are "FRA", before and after fixing.
Your log is false or it misses some audio infos in fixing step.
Theses infos are happily showed by MediaInfo I have already joined for you.If I cut the file merged by TSdoctor2 with SmartCutter rather than with TSdoctor2, the SmartCutter Audios tracks of the output file are still French, qaa, qad and gerrman as it does.
I ask you to take note of this.
Regards
The language infos are stored in the PMT. TS-Doctor is preserving this information during cutting except you change it manually to another language.
There are enhanced settings in the TS-Doctor, where you can ignore the PMT. This could also create this problem. Are you sure, you not force TS-Doctor to ignore the PMT?
Zitat von: Cypheros am Mai 29, 2016, 01:15:41
The language infos are stored in the PMT. TS-Doctor is preserving this information during cutting except you change it manually to another language.
There are enhanced settings in the TS-Doctor, where you can ignore the PMT. This could also create this problem. Are you sure, you not force TS-Doctor to ignore the PMT?
I don't see neither what parameter apply to nor where I can find it.
Please would you give me more accurate description
regards
Under Settings/Preferences/General you can activate the option "Extended options on open file".
After activating this option, you can force TS-Doctor to ignore PAT and PMT and create new system tables with default values and default language. That would produce exact the problem you described.
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I don't use the open file extended option.
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I have experimented that with or without this option the result is the same
continuation of previous post.
It seems that it is necessary to look somewhere else
Regards
The problem is, that there is not valid PMT found and the PMT was recreated. This is indicated by the "NEW" under PMT correction. If there is no valid PMT found TS-Doctor has not way to find out what language the streams have and uses the default setting "FRE" in your case.
So it seems it is some bug in the merge phase of TSDoctor that explains this mistake.
Indeed MediaInfo shows for each of the seven segments merged by TSDoctor the same four audio tracks : French, qaa, qad and German.
After TSDoctor merging, Mediainfo always shows French, qaa, qad and German languages.
It is also true for VLC, Media Player Classic and others.
Elsewhere the TSDoctor log of the merge step is very short and unfinished and little useful.
After fixing and cutting by TSDoctor the merged file, all the audio tracks become french.
This defect is found since the first versions of TSDoctor !!!
Your correcting method should be to refine.
Luckily on the other hand TSDoctor has many other qualities..
Regards
Maybe you are right and the merger creates the problem. Could you post the merging log?
Yes here it is but this log is very poor...
Regards
I also tried to cut the file merged by TSDoctor2 with SmartCutter ( http://www.fame-ring.com/smart_cutter.html )
The output smartCutter file keeps all the four source audio tracks : french, qaa, qad and German.
Unfortunately this software crashes sometimes and it is not so sophisticated as TSdoctor, the best on the whole....
That's strange. The merging mode is "simple". That means, the files are just copied one after another. The files are not changed in any way.
The merging log is poor because it's just a simple combination of files.
Have no idea, why the PMT is lost during merging. This should not happen.
If you could upload the files to our sample FTP server, we could investigate and fix the problem.
OK but I find no trace of your FTP sever :-[
Sent you a PM.
Hello
This file has 11 GB size; too big to send by mail. I don't see how to send it to you.
Practically all TSdoctor merged videos (almost all from ARTE HD channel) give the same result after the checking/cutting phase of TSdoctor. It is easy to you to reproduce this behavior.
I am your customer since February 2012 and I am afraid that, considering the way you treat the things, this state still lasts some years....
Regards
This morning the file transfer on your FTP site is well finished.
Its name is "ARTE HD_Le_Facteur_Sonne_Test_merged.ts".
Then this file is verified and cut by TDdoctor2 and some parts at the beginning and at the end are deleted.
That is in that step that the audio languages are changed.
Regards
Thanks for the sample. I found the reason for the behavior. PMT is on PID 0x0C (12) what is not allowed in the DVB standards, so the PMT is ignored by TS-Doctor. PIDs 0-31 are reserved for other system tables and should not be used for PMT, audio or video streams.
If you want TS-Doctor to ignore this DVB standards, you have to change the settings:
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I don't understand.. Obviously the source is Arte from the Hotbird transponder. Why on earth the PMT of your recording is on PID 0x0C (12) ?? It should be 570. Did you use any other tool before opening the recording with TSDOC? Or a non DVB compliant recording tool?
Hello!
Thank you!
Putting this setting, I find the good result indeed on the fixed ts file.
But the setting options are often not very clear for me, basic user..
...And after good setting of the behavior parameter, for each video, there is still two warning to confirm this option...
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It seems to me that your solution is too much restrictive.
Most of the players, conversion or cutting programs I use interpret, by default, all the tracks as mediainfo do.
Regards
Zitat von: Derrick am Juli 03, 2016, 16:22:30
I don't understand.. Obviously the source is Arte from the Hotbird transponder. Why on earth the PMT of your recording is on PID 0x0C (12) ?? It should be 570. Did you use any other tool before opening the recording with TSDOC? Or a non DVB compliant recording tool?
TSdoctor is the first tool used after the recording of the video by my receiver-recorder Aston Simba HD
1) TS doctor merge all the segment recorded for a video
2) TSdoctor checks and cuts the merged file.
Here is the mediainfo of the first segment of the video
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Then your Aston Receiver is to blame. There is no need to map the PMT to a forbidden PID.
Zitat von: Derrick am Juli 03, 2016, 19:26:23
Then your Aston Receiver is to blame. There is no need to map the PMT to a forbidden PID.
All the the video players,conversion or cutting programs I use see and treat correctly the languages of these audio tracks.
Here is , for instance, what Handbrake and Solveig VideoSplitter see for this segment.
But as sure TSdoctor is the best but not perfect!
another example with the same video
1) merged by TSdoctor (OK for mediainfo)
2) film cut by smartcutter (OK for mediainfo)
3) seen by handbrake
...But smartcutter don't make much checks...
If you don't reply and stay at this point.
Close this post, Please.
mnd
Sorry, but what else do you expect?
Cypheros offered you a solution to circumvent the problem.
It's not a fault of TS-Doctor to adhere to DVB standards.
If I were you, I would contact the support team of Aston (http://www.aston-france.com/assistance/contact.php) and ask for a fix via a firmware update of your receiver.